I’ve been working on this for months and the truth is I could continue to add to it forever but I want you all to enjoy it with me
transcript:
Griffin: [as Jenkins] A witch kissed me and cursed me so that anytime anybody yells a secret word, I have to attend to their every need, and that word is my fucking name, Jenkins. Justin: [snickering]
G: Are you naming your goddamn wizard Taako?
G: Oh- shit. Oh, god, oh, god, where’d it go, oh no, no, no!
G: If possible, I would love to- to avoid a shitting-based solution? Uh, A, because I don’t want to know what exists beyond the explicit tag in iTunes? [Justin laughs] I don’t- like, is there a fucking NC-17 rating? I don’t wanna- I don’t think I wanna be a part of that. But also- Justin: [crosstalk] Hey! G: I would also not like this scene to drag on out as long as- as a human being’s digestive cycle.
G: [background laughter] Fun show, fun show games!
G: And I think I just described a plant orgasm. And this has been Fifty Shades of Green [Clint laughs], starring four idiots.
G: So the end of that sentence that you cut off was- and I- so I won’t be able to put up with any shit today, but the problem is I already have? Now people will stop tweeting about me that I said one of Barry’s favorite things is swimming in a cold lake on a hot day, and then in two episodes later say he didn’t know how to swim.
G: ‘Kay, you and the box both drink POISON! And you survive, but the box has died. Clint: That means it’s open, right? G: Yes, with that the box pops open and it has 900 gold pieces inside. Everyone: Yeah! [cheering]
Travis: I get it. Justin: Damn, that’s a good door! G: No, it’s- [yelling] let me finish describing what happened to the door! I’ve been trying to tell you what happened to the door for like ten minutes!
Travis: I tap it with the Glutton’s Fork and I swallow it. Justin: [muffled wheezing] Griffin: What the fuck!
Griffin: [laugh-crying] You’re gonna turn him into a man tube? [wheezing] You- you’re gonna turn him into a bag or a shelf with the rock sitting on it-
Griffin, loudly: What the fuck?! [audience laughter] Travis: Double damage is- 4 and 3 plus 4 and 1. Griffin: I didn’t give Marvey HP!
Griffin: Is the stapler in here? Anyone want the fucking stapler?
Griffin: Oh, Jesus, you love this shit! [Travis, crosstalk: I’m sorry-] It’s your- You’re a fucking pervert! Fetish- you’re exposing everybody to your fetishes! Travis: I’m so sorry!
Griffin: Uh- it is an uneventful climb to the twentieth floor. And, uh- as- Travis: Floor twenty! Griffin: as- as- What? Justin and Travis: [snickering] Floor twenty! Griffin: [pause] We’re not gonna say anything better than that- Travis: Griffin, we have to fight some weeds at floor twenty. Griffin: We have thirty minutes to go, and we’re not gonna say anything better than that. Did you even think about that?
Justin: I grow bored with this fight. [laughter] Griffin: Okay. [crosstalk] Justin: I’m- I’m casting polymorph on myself- Griffin: Oh, fucking- wow. Justin: Griffin, I’m texting you- [Griffin: oh]because you’re going to need this information. Griffin: Oh my god, Justin. Justin: Yes. [Wonderland music starts] Griffin: Taako’s arms sink into his chest, so that he’s just got, sort of, little arms, and his head gets really big, and really long, [Clint laughs] and his teeth get very sharp, and he grows a tail, and he turns into a tyrannosaurus rex.
Griffin: [yelling] Oh, NO! Are you keeping track of how many times you rolled as well? Clint: [crosstalk] To be honest the educational system in Huntington, West Virginia sucks- Travis: Twenty-five! Twenty-five! Four, four! Twenty-five! Twenty-seven! [overlapped with Justin] Griffin: it’s dead- STOP! Stop! You’re killing him! Travis and Justin: Thirty! Thirty-six! Griffin: Stop! He’s already dead! Travis: One more, one more, one more- [Clint: C’MON!] Travis and Justin: Thirty-seven! [A pause as the audience laughs] Travis: His parents feel it! Griffin: You fucking- you fucking- this turtle’s- this turtle’s parents- Travis: [crosstalk] Is that where the turtle’s brother dies? Griffin: -forget about him. This turtle was a successful turtle author, and the words on his books fucking vanish. [audience laughter] You have erased this turtle from existence.
Travis: But my butt- Griffin: [yelling] Come on, I’m in hell! [crosstalk] I’m dead and in hell now! You opened the door! You built the fucking door! Out of wood! Shitwood! Shame on you and shame on us!
Justin, as Taako: Garfield? Griffin, as Garfield: Yes? Justin: I have something I think is really going to interest you. Griffin: [yelling out of character] OH MY GOD! Justin: This is the Slicer of T’pire Weir Isles [background laughter] and I notice that you have a really cool sword. It’s a Flaming, Poisoning, Raging Sword of Doom, I believe it’s called. Griffin: Oh my god… Justin: And- I’m looking at your entire stock and it does seem to me that’s your most valuable posession, would you say that’s accurate? Griffin: [laughter, as Garfield] Yes, it’s absolutely the most valuable thing in the store!
Griffin: [very tired] I didn’t expect it to go like that. [audience laughter] Um- and- Travis: What did you expect to happen? Griffin: [yelling] For you to catch a fucking fish in my fish mini game! [audiene cheers] Is that so- Am I out of my mind? Is that an unreasonable expectation? To give them a fucking fish mini game- Taako makes the lake float, Travis jumps in with a rapier, like, “let’s get it done!” and Dad makes, the- the fucking shit teleport away! [audience laughter] Clint: Welcome- welcome to The Adventure Zone, Griffin.
With MBMBaM…the conversation we had internally was like, we feel like we’re making this really dumb thing while really important stuff is happening, and we kinda felt bad about that. And then after we put that episode out, we got this flood of like, “thank you for being a distraction.” And we’re like, oh yeah, distraction’s important. We don’t have to deal with stuff to be helpful, sometimes you can just distract. And so that’s kind of always been our MO in general, just as people. If something’s going wrong and people are getting stressed out, we make jokes and we break tension…
We’ve never discussed this, but I think Justin and Griffin would agree, that you can set an example without explicitly saying, “this is a thing I’m combating” or “this is a stance I’m taking.” But rather, like, I’m going to choose to embrace this thing and talk about this thing and face this battle in a certain way, that I would hope you would understand what my position on things is. And so we talk a lot when we’re doing Amnesty especially, because it’s in our present world, in West Virginia…so for example, my character is a bisexual Puerto Rican woman. And it’s like, are we gonna make her…deal with shit? [laughs] And it’s like, noo. No, we’re not. Like, that’s not the world we wanna create and that’s not as interesting.
And when we were doing TAZ Dust…we ended up having—me and Justin and Griffin and Dad—a two-hour long conversation about, I’m gonna set up the Old West…but Dad wants to play a woman and I don’t want people to be, you know, misogynist to her, even though in the time period, they would have been. Dad wants to play an Asian woman and I’m not gonna have people use racial slurs, even though that’s what they would have done at the time. And we really went back and forth, like, are we being disingenuous by not acknowledging that this is the kind of circumstances that people would have had to deal with? But by doing that, would we be reminding people of these bad things that still happen in the world?
And so yeah, we put a lot of thought to it and we try to find a balance between not trying to pretend like there aren’t issues and not trying to pretend like everything’s okay. But also knowing that people know that there are issues and so we don’t need to constantly remind people that there are issues. It’s a tough balance to find, but we try really hard.
– Travis McElroy at DragonCon
thought I’d transcribe the bit where he confirms Aubrey as Puerto Rican. this was a response to a question about the brothers’ decision to keep current events and politics mostly out of their podcasts.
Decided to put all the very good adventure boys together. :,,,,,,) I had to squeeze these out before the finale. I’m not ready for the Balance arc to end—it’s been a very rocky year and a half for me, but the show has been such a fun and safe mindspace to been in, and listening to it definitely made things easier to cope with. But the boys do deserve a happy ending, so I’ll just hang onto that for now.
(Image description: a digital drawing of Duck Newton from TAZ Amnesty. He has medium-brown skin and dark hair and a beard, and he has glasses. Hes wearing a large green coat over a park ranger uniform. End ID)
Not to be an english major and massively overanalyze a single improvised line (spoilers: that’s exactly what I’m going to do; it’s hard to avoid; John doesn’t actually have a lot of lines in the grand scheme of things) but when this happened in Story & Song p2
Merle: I’m not real good yet at the dad thing, but I’m learning. I’m getting better about it.
John: I’m not worried about you, Merle. You’ll get there.
it blew my fucking socks off because that one line is so different from everything John has said before.
Because this line is a hope. John is expressing a belief that something will get better. Moreover, he’s expressing a belief in a future. Merle can’t get better at being a dad if he and his children and their home universe have been destroyed and devoured by the Hunger. Ergo, John believes they’re going to win.
And like, just to extrapolate from this – John barely exists as an individualin his first couple of scenes. He’s uncertain of his own name, and Griffin makes it abundantly clear that he hasn’t really existed as an individual consciousness, as a person, since the Hunger was formed. All he really is is a mouthpiece for the Hunger’s ideas, even when he’s speaking as “himself” rather than the Hunger (and despite his claims, he does very clearly use “I” to refer to the Hunger, and not just “we”). He claims that he can’t remember the last time he felt any emotion except the utter horror at/hatred of existence that produced the Hunger. Griffin also clarifies that John doesn’t exist as an individual between Parleys, that he’s reabsorbed into the Hunger. John’s indistinguishability from the Hunger makes a lot of sense, if he hasn’t really existed as a person since the moment that he and his whole world believed so utterly in the idea that powers that Hunger that they literally physically became it.
So how the fuck has John changed so much between those two final Parleys? It isn’t stated canonically that he somehow regained or retained his individuality at some point in there, but I can only imagine that as the case. That’s partially because it really does seem like John called Merle to Parley, not the Hunger, since the Hunger very much doesn’t seem to approve, and because John specifically says that “I brought you here” because “I needed to say goodbye to someone.” How? Did his experiences with Merle in Parley somehow change him too much to fully reintegrate? Was it the influence of what Merle said in the last Stolen Century Parley?? How does that “Huh, I feel sad” he responds with play into this? What exactly did it take for him to call Merle there?
And he wants to say goodbye. This guy who disavowed friendship, who disavowed all concern for other people, who disavowed existence itself, now wants one more conversation with his worst enemy and only friend before the end. And moreover, he wants to help him.
And like I’ve said before, it’s so very, very hard for me to reconcile the creation of the Hunger with the story that the McElroys told. This is a multiverse where the most powerful force that exists is the bonds of love between people. Where the Super True Neutral goddess of fate Istus that you get in a Greyhawk sourcebook, known for her callous and capricious nature and her cynical, unfeeling followers, becomes a kind and loving friend and ally. Where on every worldthat the IPRE visited and warned about the Hunger, people who were faced with the possibility of their destruction kept hoping. They fought back. They found faith, or they continued trying to make beautiful things, or they took up arms, even with the knowledge of certain doom. There was always hope, or at least defiance.
So what the fuck kind of world created the Hunger?
John: I’m sorry you feel that way. You’re the first person who I’ve, sort of, talked about this to who hasn’t listened. There were– everyone listened, Merle. I’m not being hyperbolic. Every. Person. In the world was swayed. I don’t know why you’re different. But everyone else listened. Everything, everyone across our whole plane of existence- our- our shared vexation, with, life? Covered the world like a blanket. And soon every bird in the sky and every tree in every forest and every blade of grass, and grain of sand shared our fury. And it- it wasn’t long before… it changed us.
In what kind of universe was every living thing so willing to listen to John’s message, and to believe it with such utter conviction that they changed the fabric of their very existence into that idea? On what kind of world was there not one single person with hope, with even the slightest argument that life could be worth living? Because the only alternative I can see is that the Light of Creation fell on the Hunger’s world, and that universal conviction was some product of its compulsive thrall. Either way, that’s a horror story. That’s a nightmare. That’s the saddest goddamn thing I’ve ever heard.
I’ve struggled with depression for years. I’ve believed things that John said, about the pointlessness of life, about the emptiness of joy, about the terror of eternity. But I’ve always had wonderful, loving people supporting me, who helped me remember that those things aren’t true. The thought of the whole world telling me I was right to think the most awful, damaging lies I’ve ever believed is, on a very personal level, one of the most terrifying things I can imagine.
So no wonder John was so thrown by the thought that anyone wouldn’t immediately agree with him. Especially when that someone was Merle Highchurch – Merle Highchurch, who had seen the horrors of life and death and eternity more than anyone, often at John’s own hands, and who still cherished his family and the joy he found in the world so much. And I wonder, after a lifetime of utterly unchallenged despair, was that one man’s refusal to give up on happiness enough to shake the foundations of John’s philosophy?
I’m not exaggerating when I say that hearing that line was the moment that my entire perception of John as a character turned around, because this all kind of hit me then and there, and this is all I could think. That here we have a character who has just called Merle his friend, despite having previously proclaimed that friendship and joy and love and family are meaningless in the face of the horror of existing. He knows he’s not going to make it out. But he thinks Merle and his family will. And so he’s somehow called Merle here to have one last moment as himself, and he then dies horribly in that moment while desperate to tell Merle how to defeat the Hunger.
And I don’t think he did it out of spite knowing the Hunger was turning on him, and I don’t think this was just an end-of-Bladerunner “like tears in rain” moment where you save your enemy so that you’ll be remembered for the living, feeling person you were. To fight for a last moment, you have to in some way value your life, your experience of living. The Hunger didn’t, but in the end, John did.
Because I think it mattered that Merle Highchurch so relentlessly espoused joy and life and faith in oneself. I think it mattered that he unhesitatingly offered his genuine friendship to the very last being in all of existence who would have accepted it. Because John did accept it. I think, in the end, that John believed that there was a life worth living. And he believed that future would exist and that Merle would do well there, and he was right. Because in the Adventure Zone, it’s always right to hope, and to be kind, and to look for the happiness that exists in even the darkest places. And in the end, the real enemy isn’t the people who were manipulated by the Relics, isn’t the IPRE members who made terrible mistakes, isn’t the people who have been swayed by despair. It’s the Hunger, the voice inside us that lies and says these things aren’t true, that we’re wrong to hope and love and live and seek joy. And being the one person who stops to give hope and love and friendship to someone lost in their own darkness is the most powerful act in the world.
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(I’m half-deliriously exhausted and I hope any of this makes sense; far too exhausted to coherently transcribe audio; so shoutout to the TAZ Transcribed project for those quotes, theyre good cool people doing a good cool thing.)