Tag: mcu

consistentheroes:

thegestianpoet:

the fact that Loki’s death scene in Thor 2 was originally intended to be real & retconned later and the end where he’s alive was filmed during pickups has me SO fucked up because now I can’t choose between which headcanon I prefer re: his behavior in Ragnarok. like listen, okay, either:

1. loki was planning on playing dead the whole time and so his very sad death scene & everything he said therein was a calculated move and he was practically writing the theatrical version of it (starring matt damon as himself) as he went along 

OR

2. loki really thought he was dying and every melodramatic word of his death scene was 100% heartfelt and then after he realized he wasn’t dead he fucking… woke up peaced out to go take over asgard (lol?) and several months later he was sitting on the throne and could remember every word of what he said to thor on that day and was like “wow im so fucking poetic. that should be a play. starring matt damon as Me perhaps” 

and I honestly could not tell you which is better 

Thor: I mourned you!

Loki: I mourned me too

definitelynotscott:

toomanylokifeels:

“What’s scary about Thanos is he might be right!” About what? He’s not right? There’s nothing in his argument that y’all gave him that made him *right* in any universe ever. We have enough resources. We have all manner of ways to use more renewable resources. Our problems are largely political, with those with the most power and wealth controlling the most resources and with those controlling the most resources influencing how we distribute resources and pursue renewable resources. The scary thing is not that Thanos is right, but rather that people believe it. Thus, perpetuating the control the powerful and wealthy have over our resources. 

A relatively small number of companies cause most of the world’s pollution. The wealthy are incredibly wasteful by comparison to those living in poverty. Jobs are outsourced because it’s cheaper, which lends to job insecurity not the fact that our population is growing out of control. We’re still dependent on non-renewable resources because lobbyists have prevented us from adequately addressing climate change and investing in renewable resources. Science and education programs are being defunded, despite the solutions they provide. Immigrant and refugee populations are being pushed away despite boosting our local economies. 

…and the few make a lot of $$$ by exploiting the labor of the many and keeping the majority of our population ignorant of any solutions that might make their lives better. To say that Thanos might be “right” is a load of complete bullshit that only serves the wealthy who gasp and clutch their pearls at the thought of paying their taxes. I don’t want to hear about overpopulation and lack of resources from anyone, before we question why a small number of people own the majority of our resources. Ya know who gets thrown under the bus when we talk about overpopulation? Marginalized communities. Marginalized communities who are seen as a drain on or threat to “our” resources.

To introduce a villain whose initial motivation and intention was to straight up murder people for funsies, and to moralize that behavior by saying “he might be right!” is absolutely fucking disgusting and it makes me livid, especially because who is targeted the most throughout the film by Thanos? It’s not going to be the white men who were at the forefront of Marvel from the beginning. Nope. It’s people of color as a whole. It’s women. It’s disabled people. It’s queer / queer coded people. etc. Looking at a list of everyone who is DEAD, pretty much reveals this. That doesn’t just happen by accident. That’s not a fucking accident, and that’s what makes this so insidious.

I don’t fucking care if they go back in time and fix all of this shit, because I know Marvel has too much to lose by making everything absolutely permanent. I’m not worried about that. The message this sends, though? It’s fucking gross, and the only scary thing about this is the fact that people will uncritically defend it and read pseudo scientific, pseudo historical bullshit (from authors who sensationalize controversial topics for profit) to further defend this stance on “overpopulation” Thanos would have been more interesting, more scary, and more threatening and real had they stuck with the fact that he is 100% evil and fully enjoys killing all those people. We don’t need to perpetuate this dystopian fantasy to justify his actions. Good fucking gourd.   

@marvelentertainment

Reply-Reply to Purified-Zone: Stark Analysis

zenosanalytic:

purified-zone replied to your post: charlesoberonn:

benepla:

benepla:
marvel is…

wasn’t Iron Man borne from a man’s disgust with his own affiliation with the military?

HHHHHHHMMMMMM…. SORTOF!

It depends on how you read it, and the canon you’re working from.

His first comic origin, the only one I know(and there’s got to be others) paints the US mil as the good guys, and Iron Man was initially very gung ho and anti-communist. That’s a common frame for Comics!Stark; I never really followed the series, but I know that in Civil War(which was a terrible idea) he was the conservative, pro-government mouthpiece, though I think that changed after Rogers died? Basically he was initially a fantasy!Howard Hughes(down even to his character design), and Hughes was a big-time mil contractor during WWII so, as much as my very limited knowledge of his canon is aware, he tended to be pretty pro-military until rather recently(and I could easily be wrong about this).

In the MCU Stark’s arc is learning that his weapon design/dealing was Bad and that he couldn’t trust other people to use his inventions wisely, and the US mil catches part of that condemnation implicitly as they’re his biggest clients, are the original source of the weapons which killed his fellow-captive’s family(iirc), and he was captured after a weapon’s demo for the US Mil. US soldiers were killed in the attack during which he was captured, of course, and one could argue that separates the US Mil from that critique, but I think Stark’s views are important for interpreting this, and fairly clear. He is sympathetic to soldiers, veterans, and their families, but hostile to USMil leadership and US government; he’s also perfectly happy working for SHIELD, an international police, peace, and intelligence force overseen by the UN(I think?), so he’s not completely anti-government just unwilling to compromise his own ethical position, or to trust others for the sake of “patriotism”, and suspicious of what he now realizes to be Imperialism, though he prob wouldn’t discuss it in those terms, and would get pretty sarcastic, dismissive, and maybe even hostile, with anyone who talked about the US’s history in those terms. Basically: his politics are personal, and he is willing to work with people he trusts; because he doesn’t trust the people in the US gov he’s asked to work with, he doesn’t usually trust it past the first film. There’s also his somewhat jingoistic tone in EDIT 1: Iron Man 2 3, but I think the movie establishes pretty well that, while his outward statements might cast that situation in terms of terrorism and protecting the US government, his real motivations are personal, rooted in his PTSD, his fear for himself and the people he loves, his anger/disgust over his past as it comes back to haunt him, and the threat all of this is posing to his relationships. Then there’s War Machine, through whom he maintains a direct connection to the US Military, but again, I got the sense that was more about his personal relationship with Rhodes than his opinion of US leaders and foreign policy.

Anyway, I think for the MCU your assessment is more right than not, but I also think it’s complicated and not really clear-cut. Tony is egotistical, and as such his motivations tend to be ultimately personal even when his actions are external(getting out of weapons-dealing to limit his future moral culpability for what his weapons do), but his concept of himself, and the relationships he, as a very lonely person, relies on for support and self-validation, are all tied up in that past and in USian patriotism/chauvinism, so it’s messy, he often gets pulled back into that world, and I never felt from the films like he was ready to really look at that past critically, aside from his own personal and familial culpability.