headcanon: since meeting ant man, no one dares to fuck with spider man cause they think he can control spiders and fuck that tbh. he defeats villains by threatening to order spiders to infest their house,, his success rate is 100%, new york is crime-free in less than a month,
antman:
villain: what you gonna do huh? steal my picnic food? lmao lemme get the magnifying glass
spiderman:
villain:
villain: ill just turn myself in,
Um actually,
it was bold of me to assume he wouldnt actually do this in canon,
the two previous movie series of Spider-Man always had it that Spidey was a Big Hit with the citizens of nyc in spite of the negative press/police departments actively hunting him down but we haven’t really seen anything like that in the mcu past Peter’s classmates simply being aware that Spider-Man is a hero who exists, like we didn’t see any slandering articles or angry officers which is WEIRD considering the canonical climate about superheros in the mcu right now so like….I really hope it carries over into this third series because frankly I love the idea of everyone in a post-accords world in constant debate about superheroes like ‘should they be held accountable for casualties’ and ‘does it make sense to give all this power to just a few people and force them to make potentially catastrophic situations’ and ‘do we even truly Need superheroes’ like any and all debate they can think of but at the same time, all the citizens in New York are collectively like ‘Yeah….but we’re gonna leave the Spider-Boy out of this….he just wants to help out….he’s doing his Best..’ lmao
The Entire City Of New York: after all the danger we’ve been placed in since these superheroes started popping up, since the Avenger’s set up a headquarters here- we’re sick of it. superheroes only prevent problems that they create in the first place and cause millions in damages doing it. we want our city to be safe!
Also The Entire City Of New York: we’ve only had Spider-Man for a year and a half but if anything ever happened to him we would kill everyone on this planet and then ourselves
J. Jonah Jameson: writes a scathing article about the ‘spider menace’ ‘terrorizing’ Queens and campaigns for his arrest and imprisonment alongside other ‘mutant menaces’
That Nice Old Lady that bought Peter a churro: *barges into the Daily Bugle office swinging her handbag with deadly force*
Citizens of New York City: fuck the avengers!!
The Rest Of The World: you do realize that your Spider-Man has been spotted helping the Avengers on multiple occasions and many believe him to be an honorable member of the team?
I hate in the MCU or anything when the aliens or whatever are attacking and everyone’s just ‘oh yeah we be chilling just cowering over here’ as if seventy percent of humanity isn’t really angry all the time like catch these hands motherfucker I’ve bitten people for trying to steal my chips you think you can just steal my whole fucking planet YEET HERE COME MY TEETH film people be using responses to natural disasters but I promise if human sized things came to throw down humanity would be ready to fuck them up like yeah you got laser guns I got this dope ass stick I just found let’s go you ugly fuck
silentwalrus1: #yeah bicht!!!!!!#gimme the battle of new york with fuckin chitauri comin down and the shift manager of the times sq H&M has finally had Enough#Tracie bout to kill this alien with a traffic cone#’ JUST PRETEND THEY’RE TOURISTS’ she screams choking out goddamn Lizard Lite with her lanyard#10 feet away a park slope mom is beating an alien to death with her four year old’s knockoff eco friendly razr scooter#every single retail employee gets ten years’ worth of therapy in one day#captain america’s kill count: 83 aliens#kathleen from accounting: 94 and also her boss
Humans are biolent, angry little creatures who live under a constant state of stress and have very little sense of self preservation. #whatsmykillcount would be trending in Twitter while people posted videos on every available platform. Like honestly Earth is not the one.
You never know you’re from a Death World until somebody tries to conquer it.
Clint’s been dead, he’s been a murderous spider, this probably wouldn’t even make the top five on his ‘oh Fuck no’ list. Mostly I think he’d just be super totally 100% over it.
Happy Halloween, bros. 😀
True story: @intosnarkness has this on a t-shirt, which she wore when we me Matt Fraction. Yes, we, I was standing right there like “… Hi.” and snarkness says, ‘She drew my shirt.’ (she is, inherently, a shit-disturber. I love that about her.)
but then! Matt Fraction – who is a perfect human being, I would saddle my horse and follow him into battle – says, “oh! That is a story! Like.. Clint and Kate get sucked into a fairytale dimension or something, and Clint is a centaur and Kate is a pixie, NO–”
(he’s not even making eye contact anymore, he’s got to be seeing it in his head)
“–Kate is a HARPY, and she’s like DON’T. EVEN. START.”
wasn’t Iron Man borne from a man’s disgust with his own affiliation with the military?
HHHHHHHMMMMMM…. SORTOF!
It depends on how you read it, and the canon you’re working from.
His first comic origin, the only one I know(and there’s got to be others) paints the US mil as the good guys, and Iron Man was initially very gung ho and anti-communist. That’s a common frame for Comics!Stark; I never really followed the series, but I know that in Civil War(which was a terrible idea) he was the conservative, pro-government mouthpiece, though I think that changed after Rogers died? Basically he was initially a fantasy!Howard Hughes(down even to his character design), and Hughes was a big-time mil contractor during WWII so, as much as my very limited knowledge of his canon is aware, he tended to be pretty pro-military until rather recently(and I could easily be wrong about this).
In the MCU Stark’s arc is learning that his weapon design/dealing was Bad and that he couldn’t trust other people to use his inventions wisely, and the US mil catches part of that condemnation implicitly as they’re his biggest clients, are the original source of the weapons which killed his fellow-captive’s family(iirc), and he was captured after a weapon’s demo for the US Mil. US soldiers were killed in the attack during which he was captured, of course, and one could argue that separates the US Mil from that critique, but I think Stark’s views are important for interpreting this, and fairly clear. He is sympathetic to soldiers, veterans, and their families, but hostile to USMil leadership and US government; he’s also perfectly happy working for SHIELD, an international police, peace, and intelligence force overseen by the UN(I think?), so he’s not completely anti-government just unwilling to compromise his own ethical position, or to trust others for the sake of “patriotism”, and suspicious of what he now realizes to be Imperialism, though he prob wouldn’t discuss it in those terms, and would get pretty sarcastic, dismissive, and maybe even hostile, with anyone who talked about the US’s history in those terms. Basically: his politics are personal, and he is willing to work with people he trusts; because he doesn’t trust the people in the US gov he’s asked to work with, he doesn’t usually trust it past the first film. There’s also his somewhat jingoistic tone in EDIT 1: Iron Man 2 3, but I think the movie establishes pretty well that, while his outward statements might cast that situation in terms of terrorism and protecting the US government, his real motivations are personal, rooted in his PTSD, his fear for himself and the people he loves, his anger/disgust over his past as it comes back to haunt him, and the threat all of this is posing to his relationships. Then there’s War Machine, through whom he maintains a direct connection to the US Military, but again, I got the sense that was more about his personal relationship with Rhodes than his opinion of US leaders and foreign policy.
Anyway, I think for the MCU your assessment is more right than not, but I also think it’s complicated and not really clear-cut. Tony is egotistical, and as such his motivations tend to be ultimately personal even when his actions are external(getting out of weapons-dealing to limit his future moral culpability for what his weapons do), but his concept of himself, and the relationships he, as a very lonely person, relies on for support and self-validation, are all tied up in that past and in USian patriotism/chauvinism, so it’s messy, he often gets pulled back into that world, and I never felt from the films like he was ready to really look at that past critically, aside from his own personal and familial culpability.
In December of 1940, America still hadn’t entered the war.
There were a lot of Americans – such as the 800,000 paying members of the America First Committee – who looked at fascists massacring their way through Europe and declared “that’s not our problem.”
Captain America was created by two poor Jewish Americans, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, with the specific intent of trying to convince Americans that entering the war was the right thing to do. It wasn’t easy – Kirby went far beyond what was expected of artists at the time, penciling the entire issue with a deadline that would have been difficult for a two-man crew to pull off.
Captain America punched Hitler right on the cover, at a time when a majority of Americans just didn’t feel like doing anything decisive against the Nazis.
Kirby and Simon faced considerable resistance for their creation, including steady hate mail and outright death threats.
Once, while Jack was in the Timely office, a call came from someone in the lobby. When Kirby answered, the caller threatened Jack with bodily harm if he showed his face. Kirby told the caller he would be right down, but by the time Jack reached street level, there was no one to be found.
Both creators enlisted after America entered the war. Kirby, as an artist, was called upon to do the extremely dangerous work of scouting ahead to draw maps. He also went on to co-create Black Panther in 1966.
They didn’t create Captain America to be an accurate depiction of America-As-It-Is. The character was meant to inspire and embolden, to show America-As-It-Should-Be.
The subject of where the Vibranium for the shield came from actually never came up for decades of comics, until it was finally addressed by Black Panther’s writer, Christopher Priest, in 2001. Priest never shied away from acknowledging America’s racism, but he also understood that Captain America represented an ideal, intended to inspire Americans to be better.
The story mixed together a “present day” discussion between Cap and T’Challa with flashbacks to when Cap met the Black Panther ruling Wakanda during World War II.
FLASHBACK:
PRESENT:
PRESENT -> FLASHBACK
PRESENT:
The Vibranium was given, freely, by one good man to another good man.
It is right to rage against the injustices done by our governments. We must call them out, and we must fight for what’s right.
But if you can’t even stand to see the symbols created to inspire people to be better, and rail against those,then you’re just confusing cynicism for realism.
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